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Troels Heiredal's avatar

Isn't it a little convenient to separate economics from everything else, and only look through this one very minimal lens at how societies work? Especially, in an economic system that is geared toward (white) home ownership for the upper classes ( it's curious that Section 8 has a limit, but tax deductions for home ownership are unlimited).

It's a little like saying that healthcare is better when there's a free market. But when the state has a role in health care and a role in unemployment and in housing, all of a sudden the incentives is not just to make as much money as possible, the patient is no longer just a cash bag, a let's get them well enough to leave, but make sure they come back for more. All of a sudden, there's a greater responsibility for creating conditions for a healthy life, not just narrow economic prosperity for the few.

And it's similar with housing, minimum wages, having easy access to a healthy living (a food and drug administration that care more about the general population's health, than the pockets of food producers), afforable riliable public transport, easy options to bike (not just in rich communities), healthy grocery options, non-economically segregated schools, these are all aspects of housing. But economist always wants us to believe that it's this simple sum game of supply and demand, not admitting how the demand is so often rigged, underwritten by all these other factors. And then, when the economists are once again wrong about their models, there's no responsibility, no consequences. It's all just market market market...I guess they didn't get the memo in Vienna.

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Comparing communism and modern socialism is kind of silly especially considering European socialism Which Arguably urbanism is a part of.

The government already competes in the market for instance the USPS competes with UPS Fedex and DHL.

The goals of corporations and the goals of the government Are significantly different

If there's a project any type project that would benefit society I don't see a reason why local state or federal government shouldn't be able to do it even if it competes with corporations

Europe with less GDP Better quality of life

Corporations take advantage of the government For their own Advantage even at the Detriment of society

One of the reasons why zoning laws are as bad as they are is because they benefit the automotive industry but also large developers who are the only ones who are able to get through the hurdles put in place which prevents smaller developers and individuals from competing effectively

Ideally it could be both the private sector and the government providing more housing especially since the calculations for the two are significantly different

It's very valuable for individuals to be able to make bets on their own houses Whether it's a business in the front or apartments it should be legal for individuals to make these bets which are currently not legal to do because of the zoning laws

Both the economy and towns / cities Are incredibly complex

We can't let companies be without restriction but also we can't have the government do ever thing

The Soviet Union did actually do a good job at providing housing

https://youtu.be/1eIxUuuJX7Y?si=

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