Just a clarification from an electrical engineer, Level 1 is a standard 120V, 15 or 20A outlet. They can take 25+ hours to charge a car with a decent battery. Level 2 is a 240V, 40-60A connection. Both can be at your house and home charging is by far the easiest.
The elephant in the room is the amount of power consumption it takes from our power grids to charge these pieces of junk. Are people ready for rolling blackouts everyday just so the inefficient EV's can be charged??? Also, when the batteries die and you pay many thousands of dollars for new ones in your vehicle, where do the dead ones go??? How much land needs to be destroyed just to make one battery? (365,000 lbs of dirt need to be moved for just 1). This is just another deep state agenda to keep people at home in their 15 minute controlled cities. Don't believe the propaganda on these power grid sucking abominations.
AKA the retardation of thinking that only being able to travel within 15 minutes of where you live isn't a prison controlled by psychopaths. Welcome to China fuqtard.
The big blocker is that a car is climate controlled. Biking a few miles, or walking to the bus stop, is fine 95% of the time, but in extreme weather it can be uncomfortable or dangerous, and you need to get to work in extreme weather. For anyone who lives in cold weather areas, the fact that many electric chargers stop working when the temperature gets below zero can be a deal breaker. It doesn't matter if it only gets that cold a few days a year, people need transportation every day, no matter the weather. An ICE car is tough to beat in that regard.
Yet another driving is evil post. Some of us like cars and driving. As for fast charging, the problem isn’t the chargers, it’s that batteries are less energy dense than gas. Absent some step change in battery tech, we’re not going to have truly fast charging (under 5 minutes like at the pump). And some of us do like (or need) to drive long distances for which EVs are useless.
I would agree. My 32 amp L2 home charger can recharge at the rate of 10% per hour. If I drive the battery down to 50% capacity, it takes five hours to reach 100% again. That’s slow by some standards, but works fine for overnight charging. Which is good enough to make an EV practical as a daily driver.
That framework of look at the problem and don't get stuck in a particular solution is a good reminder. I like what this article also says about thr issues that could be caused by remaining a car based society, even of these cars are electric.
I listened to a podcast on housing and it focused on the price of housing which is important, but didn't mention the cost of housing especially if you build housing in ways that maintain car dependency.
Well in some cases, nothing but a fast charger will work. This week a friend and I want hiking at a trailhead >100 miles from home, and 6,000’ uphill. One of our cars was in the shop so I asked my friend to drive. Well, her EVs range wasn’t sufficient for the round trip, and the mountain town had no fast charger—and of course not even a slow one at the remote trailhead. So we ended up taking one of our ICE cars in the end.
Remote trailheads are a use case that I don’t see EVs serving for a long time—and of course bikes won’t work.
Her EV might have worked. I use. Mine to get to trailheads in the Cascades. The downhill miles are free. I actually charge the car by coasting. As a rule of thumb, it takes half the battery charge to get to the trailhead, and only 25% to return home. So a round-trip of 200 miles is doable.
I would argue that Level 2 chargers are more convenient than Level 3 because that's how you can charge while you're at your destination. Level 3 is really only necessary for road trips...although can be used as a crutch to make up for lack of adequate Level 2 chargers (such as for some apartment dwellers...but in this case , L3 charging is FAR less convenient than L2 charging should be.
Just a clarification from an electrical engineer, Level 1 is a standard 120V, 15 or 20A outlet. They can take 25+ hours to charge a car with a decent battery. Level 2 is a 240V, 40-60A connection. Both can be at your house and home charging is by far the easiest.
Should we add to the discussion some acronym (or metaphor) for car dependency?
Question: Do commute systems create more demand for commuting than they can handle?
Question: Does high-density housing create more demand for Uber or other drives like there's no tomorrow?
Gasoline powered cars seem to solve all the problems you identify.
Who is buying the e-bikes? Mostly the people I see (in the US) who have them are using them recreationally.
California has a hard enough time keeping the power on as it is. If they get their way and add a bunch of EVs they're going to have real problems.
The elephant in the room is the amount of power consumption it takes from our power grids to charge these pieces of junk. Are people ready for rolling blackouts everyday just so the inefficient EV's can be charged??? Also, when the batteries die and you pay many thousands of dollars for new ones in your vehicle, where do the dead ones go??? How much land needs to be destroyed just to make one battery? (365,000 lbs of dirt need to be moved for just 1). This is just another deep state agenda to keep people at home in their 15 minute controlled cities. Don't believe the propaganda on these power grid sucking abominations.
“15 minute cities” aka the horror of having amenities within walking distance
AKA the retardation of thinking that only being able to travel within 15 minutes of where you live isn't a prison controlled by psychopaths. Welcome to China fuqtard.
“Fuqtard” truly intelligent discourse there.
In the year 2525, if man is still alive
If woman can survive, they may find
In the year 3535
Ain't gonna need to tell the truth, tell no lie
Everything you think, do and say
Is in the pill you took today
In the year 4545
You ain't gonna need your teeth, won't need your eyes
You won't find a thing to chew
Nobody's gonna look at you
In the year 5555
Your arms hangin' limp at your sides
Your legs got nothin' to do
Some machine's doin' that for you
In the year 6565
You won't need no husband, won't need no wife
You'll pick your son, pick your daughter too
From the bottom of a long glass tube
In the year 7510
If God's a coming, He oughta make it by then
Maybe He'll look around Himself and say
Guess it's time for the judgment day
In the year 8510
God is gonna shake His mighty head
He'll either say I'm pleased where man has been
Or tear it down, and start again
In the year 9595
I'm kinda wonderin' if man is gonna be alive
He's taken everything this old earth can give
And he ain't put back nothing
Now it's been ten thousand years
Man has cried a billion tears
For what, he never knew, now man's reign is through
But through eternal night, the twinkling of starlight
So very far away, maybe it's only yesterday
In the year 2525, if man is still alive
If woman can survive, they may find
The big blocker is that a car is climate controlled. Biking a few miles, or walking to the bus stop, is fine 95% of the time, but in extreme weather it can be uncomfortable or dangerous, and you need to get to work in extreme weather. For anyone who lives in cold weather areas, the fact that many electric chargers stop working when the temperature gets below zero can be a deal breaker. It doesn't matter if it only gets that cold a few days a year, people need transportation every day, no matter the weather. An ICE car is tough to beat in that regard.
Sure, having options is the goal. That's what I write tons about. As it is, most Americans are forced into only one form of transportation.
So driving is dangerous, but e-scooters aren’t?
Yet another driving is evil post. Some of us like cars and driving. As for fast charging, the problem isn’t the chargers, it’s that batteries are less energy dense than gas. Absent some step change in battery tech, we’re not going to have truly fast charging (under 5 minutes like at the pump). And some of us do like (or need) to drive long distances for which EVs are useless.
I'm not sure what article you read that can be summed up as "driving is evil" but it certainly wasn't mine.
Ok, driving is dangerous then. Unlike e-scooters!
Level 2 chargers are 240 V AC. Most cap out around 40-80 A. My PHEV gets 40 km on a 2 hour 240V, 40A charge.
Level 2 chargers in no way can charge a true EV in an hour.
I would agree. My 32 amp L2 home charger can recharge at the rate of 10% per hour. If I drive the battery down to 50% capacity, it takes five hours to reach 100% again. That’s slow by some standards, but works fine for overnight charging. Which is good enough to make an EV practical as a daily driver.
That framework of look at the problem and don't get stuck in a particular solution is a good reminder. I like what this article also says about thr issues that could be caused by remaining a car based society, even of these cars are electric.
I listened to a podcast on housing and it focused on the price of housing which is important, but didn't mention the cost of housing especially if you build housing in ways that maintain car dependency.
Well in some cases, nothing but a fast charger will work. This week a friend and I want hiking at a trailhead >100 miles from home, and 6,000’ uphill. One of our cars was in the shop so I asked my friend to drive. Well, her EVs range wasn’t sufficient for the round trip, and the mountain town had no fast charger—and of course not even a slow one at the remote trailhead. So we ended up taking one of our ICE cars in the end.
Remote trailheads are a use case that I don’t see EVs serving for a long time—and of course bikes won’t work.
Her EV might have worked. I use. Mine to get to trailheads in the Cascades. The downhill miles are free. I actually charge the car by coasting. As a rule of thumb, it takes half the battery charge to get to the trailhead, and only 25% to return home. So a round-trip of 200 miles is doable.
I would argue that Level 2 chargers are more convenient than Level 3 because that's how you can charge while you're at your destination. Level 3 is really only necessary for road trips...although can be used as a crutch to make up for lack of adequate Level 2 chargers (such as for some apartment dwellers...but in this case , L3 charging is FAR less convenient than L2 charging should be.
We need a common e-bike charging interface. With that, e bikes could be lighter and cheaper, not needing nearly as much range.